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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.fr33agents.com/945/why-i-am-specifically-a-voluntaryist/comment-page-1/#comment-3656</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time &quot;l&quot;ibertarian here. I&#039;m highly familiar with voluntaryism, Lysander Spooner, Harry Browne (1970s version), Wendy McElroy, Carl Watner, and so forth. I&#039;m in agreement with your views. The most recent demonstration of why voluntaryism and &quot;ignoring government&quot; is the proper way is this: The Democrats have ignored that government involvement in Health Care is unconstitutional. So why should we residents in the geographical area known as the U.S.A. think the constitution has any authority? The U.S. respresentatives and senators obviously do not think the constitution has any authority.

I don&#039;t object to anyone doing non-violent underground civil disobedience of laws against all voluntary transaction. If those people want to publicize their actions, however, the thugs in the gang called &quot;government&quot; will make an example out of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Long time &#8220;l&#8221;ibertarian here. I&#8217;m highly familiar with voluntaryism, Lysander Spooner, Harry Browne (1970s version), Wendy McElroy, Carl Watner, and so forth. I&#8217;m in agreement with your views. The most recent demonstration of why voluntaryism and &#8220;ignoring government&#8221; is the proper way is this: The Democrats have ignored that government involvement in Health Care is unconstitutional. So why should we residents in the geographical area known as the U.S.A. think the constitution has any authority? The U.S. respresentatives and senators obviously do not think the constitution has any authority.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t object to anyone doing non-violent underground civil disobedience of laws against all voluntary transaction. If those people want to publicize their actions, however, the thugs in the gang called &#8220;government&#8221; will make an example out of them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Free of State &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why I am Specifically a Voluntaryist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free of State &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why I am Specifically a Voluntaryist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trevor watkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  You can read an article and discussion of a similar concept, The Consent Axiom, at
http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/msg/3e8a9e2cd2323e12?
regards</description>
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<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/msg/3e8a9e2cd2323e12?" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/libsa/msg/3e8a9e2cd2323e12?</a><br />
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		<title>By: George Donnelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, true those terms are corrupted. Glad you liked it, thanks. :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Uh Oh – or Why I, too, am Specifically a Voluntaryist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uh Oh – or Why I, too, am Specifically a Voluntaryist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Uh Oh – or Why I, too, am Specifically a VoluntaryistBy Cheryl ClinePublished: 24 September 2009Posted in: Guest Blog Posts, Minor features, NewsTags: censusworker, hanging, protest, violence, voluntaryism   Cases like this make it all the more important to emphasize that I am specifically a voluntaryist: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Glenn Winstead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Winstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A voluntaryist society demands anarchy. The state does not permit private contracts to exist. One must first be rid of government, for freedom to exist.
The state aggresses against every person, from the time of his birth.
The non-aggression principle makes an exception for defense.
There are two options: education and retaliation. Education has been controlled by the state since Horace Mann decided to copy the Prussian Military System in about 1840, and Rockefeller gave him the muscle.
It is an uphill struggle to convert young adults where the government has outposts in their brains.
This leaves withdrawal or violence.
Withdrawal can work, if one accepts privation and poverty with grace.
The remaining option was outlined by Jim Bell:
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm
on voting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbBItLemsM&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=DE965B0716BFA571&amp;index=2&amp;playnext=2&amp;playnext_from=PL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->A voluntaryist society demands anarchy. The state does not permit private contracts to exist. One must first be rid of government, for freedom to exist.<br />
The state aggresses against every person, from the time of his birth.<br />
The non-aggression principle makes an exception for defense.<br />
There are two options: education and retaliation. Education has been controlled by the state since Horace Mann decided to copy the Prussian Military System in about 1840, and Rockefeller gave him the muscle.<br />
It is an uphill struggle to convert young adults where the government has outposts in their brains.<br />
This leaves withdrawal or violence.<br />
Withdrawal can work, if one accepts privation and poverty with grace.<br />
The remaining option was outlined by Jim Bell:<br />
<a href="http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm</a><br />
on voting: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbBItLemsM&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=DE965B0716BFA571&amp;index=2&amp;playnext=2&amp;playnext_from=PL" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbBItLemsM&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=DE965B0716BFA571&amp;index=2&amp;playnext=2&amp;playnext_from=PL</a><!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Trinward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Trinward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent presentation, George! As a lifelong libertarian (in the sense the word is supposed to have, not the LP&#039;s apparent re-version), I have always seen &quot;choice&quot; as the issue in life: If I live non-aggressively, and use no coercive means to affect the actions of others, what I do ain&#039;t nobody&#039;s business but my own! (I also consider every effort to allow folks to choose to help their neighbors, then take a tax-cut for doing so (as being part of the solution, etc.), to be part of the de-statification process, and fully consistent with these principles ... but I digress!). My only real regret is the need for a new term, since &quot;liberal&quot; (which once meant this) and now &quot;libertarian&quot; (RIP, ca. 2008 or earlier?) no longer define this condition or position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Excellent presentation, George! As a lifelong libertarian (in the sense the word is supposed to have, not the LP&#8217;s apparent re-version), I have always seen &#8220;choice&#8221; as the issue in life: If I live non-aggressively, and use no coercive means to affect the actions of others, what I do ain&#8217;t nobody&#8217;s business but my own! (I also consider every effort to allow folks to choose to help their neighbors, then take a tax-cut for doing so (as being part of the solution, etc.), to be part of the de-statification process, and fully consistent with these principles &#8230; but I digress!). My only real regret is the need for a new term, since &#8220;liberal&#8221; (which once meant this) and now &#8220;libertarian&#8221; (RIP, ca. 2008 or earlier?) no longer define this condition or position.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: George Donnelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/085b.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why I Would Not Vote Against Hitler&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Literary Dreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Literary Dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No political philosophy is perfect.  I say that because while I applaud voluntaryism&#039;s emphasis on education and self-improvement, I have a big problem with the belief that one must never participate in the state or its elections, since this can actually run counter to the liberty that voluntaryists wish to spread worldwide.  As an example: the election of Adolf Hitler may not have happened had the German elites voted in that election, instead of believing politics was beneath them, allowing a poor and jobless underclass to vote with their wallets.  

Also, democracies and republics need an educated electorate to participate in its elections in order to work.  Protesting on the sidelines can have an impact, of course, and is also part of the political process, but nothing gets rid of a bad politician quicker than voting them out of office.  As to what can happen when protest is one&#039;s only form of interacting with the state, please see the example above. 

To put it another way: if no one votes in elections, why have them?  And if you don&#039;t have elections, then you have either anarchy, or a dictatorship.  In short, you can either vote for whomever you think will carry out the will of the people best in this republic, or you can suffer the consequences of having someone in power who will abuse it in the worst possible ways--which, of course, would prevent the liberty that you wish to spread.  Dictators either conduct sham elections that force everyone to vote for them, or rule by mandate.  But even in those countries where it is voluntary, remember that your voice is loudest when it is at the ballot box, not when you are in the streets.</description>
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<p>Also, democracies and republics need an educated electorate to participate in its elections in order to work.  Protesting on the sidelines can have an impact, of course, and is also part of the political process, but nothing gets rid of a bad politician quicker than voting them out of office.  As to what can happen when protest is one&#8217;s only form of interacting with the state, please see the example above. </p>
<p>To put it another way: if no one votes in elections, why have them?  And if you don&#8217;t have elections, then you have either anarchy, or a dictatorship.  In short, you can either vote for whomever you think will carry out the will of the people best in this republic, or you can suffer the consequences of having someone in power who will abuse it in the worst possible ways&#8211;which, of course, would prevent the liberty that you wish to spread.  Dictators either conduct sham elections that force everyone to vote for them, or rule by mandate.  But even in those countries where it is voluntary, remember that your voice is loudest when it is at the ballot box, not when you are in the streets.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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