
It was a beautiful autumn day in the Delaware Valley – until some thugs on the payroll of the Plymouth, PA police department assaulted me and terrorized my son just steps from my home. How did this happen? On this warm fall day I took my little one out for some needed exercise in the nearby park, to see the falling leaves and let him win foot races in classic turtle-and-hare style. I did all this while securely carrying a holstered firearm on my hip because my son is simply too precious to put at risk.
Unwilling to Prove He is a Cop
Back on the street, outside the park, just steps from our home, a dark blue Crown Victoria pulled up behind me and asked if we could talk. I asked about what? He said I was carrying a gun. I said that open carry is legal in Pennsylvania. He claimed he was a cop so I asked for badge, badge number and bond number but he did not comply except for a brief glance at the badge on his belt.
Am I Legally Required to Provide Identification?
He asked if I had ID and I asked him if I was legally required to give it. He said it would make it easier or some other nonsense so I did not give it. Looking back, had I reached for it I might be in jail or worse right now since my pistol was on the same side as my wallet. Later he claimed that I refused to cooperate in his “investigation” and when I denied it he claimed I was lying.
Cuffed Before I Knew it Without Justification
My son immediately sensed that something was very wrong and hugged my right leg. I felt threatened by the way the man moved, too. I comforted him with my right arm which made this guy very nervous. He demanded I stop moving my hands. I put them up. I had not moved my hand towards any weapon or even thought about defending myself against the person. I told him I was peaceful and was not aggressive. But before I knew it he had my hands cuffed behind my back. He took my firearm out of the active retention holster, removed a pocket knife that was clipped onto a pocket and, amazingly, reached into a closed cargo pants pocket and removed my wallet!
I Do Not Consent
I immediately made it clear that I did not consent to any searches and informed him that he was violating my fourth amendment rights. He chuckled. I demanded his identification again. I told him I had to verify he was really a cop. But he did not comply. I still can not believe he so blithely searched me like that.
Six Thugs for a Peaceful Dad
In addition to Mark Anthony Lacy (badge number 142, “Juvenile Detective”, pictured above), the one who cuffed me, five other cops showed up. That’s a total of six cops who wasted at least 30-45 minutes on this. There was O’Brien (badge number 137 I think) in a white shirt (a “lieutenant”), Bolinsky, Zinni, another one in plain clothes who showed no evidence of being a cop and a portly one who never got out of his car. When I mentioned near the end how wasteful this was, they told me not to worry about how much it cost because I don’t reside in their jurisdiction anyway.
Intimidation
There were ongoing attempts to verbally intimidate me, primarily by Bolinsky. He told me to shut up and stop talking several times. In response to which I asked if he was also violating my first amendment right as well as my fourth. I addressed them as “sir” and “gentleman”. I was not rude. I did not blabber but I did take advantage of their pauses in speaking and their questions and statements to refute their weak justifications, guilt trips and other bullshit.
It’s About Doing What’s Right
After demanding they return my wallet and cease violating me, O’Brien said it sounded like I had good basis for a lawsuit and lots of damages. Several of them laughed because they know the courts are part of their same gang. But I said, it’s not about lawsuits. It’s about doing the right thing. Are you peace officers or law enforcement officers? Right now, you’re a law enforcement officers and you’re hassling me for nothing.
NOT Peace Officers
Later one tried to twist my words into support for LEOs in general saying I called them peace officers. I said, I would have complete respect for you if you were peace officers (without the state monopoly, which I left out) but right now you are aggressing against me and you are not acting as peace officers.
I Might be a Child Kidnapper
Bolinsky made special pains to convince me they were right to check me out since I was with a child. I might be a child kidnapper. He said if it was my son kidnapped, he would go all out for that and implied he would risk his life. I said I appreciate that and understand, but you overreacted. You did not have to do an unwarranted search and assault in order to find out if I was the boy’s father. And I told him that since I carry everywhere and am very careful about security in general that it’s unlikely my son would be kidnapped in the first place. Also, the FBI works kidnapping cases, so it’s pure blather.
Ooops, Made a Mistake
When Zinni appeared, he gave me the good cop routine and I was already in cuffs. I thought I was about to be arrested and taken away. I did not want my son to be in the charge of social services even for a moment so I gave him my address and asked him to take the boy to my wife. What a screw up. They forgot the address later on and asked for it again but I didn’t give it again. My driver’s license has a Philly address on it.
Attempt to Establish Rapport
As soon as he appeared, Bolinsky asked me if I was an NRA member, trying to profile me as a conservative type I suppose. So, instead of answering, I asked him if he was an NRA member. Yes, he said. That’s just him trying to form a rapport.
First on the Scene a LIAR
Lacy (who arrived first) claimed he had already promised to provide his business card at the end of the encounter, after I asked repeatedly for their ID. That was a lie. But he claimed I lied, instead and proceeded to invent two other lies, apparently trying to discredit me in front of the other cops.
Finally Asked My Son
Bolinsky asked for my son’s name and I refused to provide it. I should have asked him for his son’s name. When finally they asked my son if I was his dad, he nodded. He was huddling against my left leg and they claimed it looked like I had him scared. He is scared of YOU I told them. It was another attempt to get the advantage over me but it failed. Before that Bolinsky asked me three times if I was his dad. I answered him clearly the first time, I said. “I am his father.” So the next two times I said “I already confirmed that for you, sir”.
“What a Nice Day” Says the Thug
The other plain clothes person near the end said “What a nice day!” I said yes, it is a beautiful day to go for a walk with your kids, except when people like you come and assault me like this. Then he said he would not carry a firearm if he was out walking with his son. I said, that’s terribly dangerous. It’s a crazy world out there and my son is too important to me for to take any chances. Isn’t yours? And you know when seconds count the police are minutes away, I added.
Peppered with Questions and Claims
They constantly peppered me with questions and statist-perspective claims meant to get me to cooperate and submit. I always rebutted their nonsense and clearly stated how they had violated the rights they were supposed to respect and protect.
Obstructing Justice
They checked me several times on their computer and then when they were ready to let me go they checked my firearm and it all came back negative of course. Zinni claimed I was obstructing justice for not providing personal information they demanded, which was a lot. That claim can give one a panic attack when they have you in that position of stress they create. But it’s just more bullshit to get you to submit.
Outright Refusal to Identify
Near the end I demanded their badge numbers, names and bond numbers (again) and they outright refused to give them to me. I was able to see Bolinsky and Zinni’s names because they’re embroidered on the shirts. They said I should go to the police HQ. I said, no thanks. if you’re violating my rights wantonly out here I don’t dare risk going into your own house.
Who’s in Charge? The Thug, Of Course
When all but O’Brien and one other person had gone O’Brien snarled at me asking if I thought I was in charge, how dare I ask for their information. “What makes you so special,” he asked. I said, you have the guns and the willingness to use aggression – you’ve proven that today – so clearly you are in charge. I could have had the same exchange with a mugger.
Pathetic Profiling
One made a snide comment about numbers not being good with the bible so I shouldn’t be asking for them. This was another attempt to refute my logical self-defense against their aggression with ridicule based on some assumption from random profiling. A guy exercising the right to open carry a firearm on an autumn walk in the park at 1:30PM on a weekday must be a bible nut conspiracy theorist. (People who study the bible are not nuts of course.) This is like when democrats claim I am a birther because I said something critical of Obama and they have no reasoned rebuttal.
More Aggression?
When finally I was released and picked up my son to comfort him the O’Brien character gave me the “I am going to sock this SOB” look but since I was holding my son he didn’t do it – this time. He was the last one to leave the scene and there would have been no adult witnesses had he chosen to commit further aggression.
They handed me back my firearm, then my mag and left the rounds 10 feet away. Of course they were fully armed and even Bolinsky had a four extra magazines sitting on his belt.
See Son: Words Work
I sat down and talked with my son for several minutes, hugging him and telling him, look it works, you can face the bad guys and talk sense into them until they leave you alone. We can deal with people just with words and not with violence – even when they assault us. I hope I can continue teaching him this. He got some extra attention this afternoon, which is why this posting is delayed.
Not Angry, Relieved
I am relieved about making it through without significant caving or mistakes. I looked them in the eye and talked to them like equals. I did not bow down or mince words. I stood up for myself without doing wrong or being rude. I am not even angry about it. I am traumatized but not angry. I’m not “out for justice”. I am not planning to file a lawsuit. I just want the aggressors to STOP. I may visit them at their lair, still debating that one. I am so disappointed I did not get it on audio or video.
Oh and it turns out an older lady walking an angry little dog called the cops on me. Man with a gun in a blue shirt, khaki pants and a little boy. Textbook aggression.

I am hearing this all over the country and it is very disturbing to me . People being violated by the police it scares me so. Do you have a shariffs department you need to ck with them.
Thanks for your comment. What do you suggest I take up with the sheriff’s department?
The reason these cops are so against armed citizens is that if we were allowed to protect ourselves, then we’d realize we don’t need these tax feeders around.
That’s scary. I salute you holding your nerve and knowing what to say. Testiculos habet, et bene pendentes.
Glad everything worked out so well. Even if you don’t want to file suit, you have more than enough grounds for a complaint. These officers won’t stop their behavior until citizens start pushing back a little.
Strong work, difficult situation.
They interfered with your rights needlessly, no question. I like the idea of talking to the sheriff; he is elected. A complaint should certainly be generated.
Peace be with you.
Sue them.
I used to think suing the police was a bad idea, because you would only win “tax-payer money.” What was I thinking? Once they have the money, no tax-payer is ever going to get it back. Hit them hard, right in the budget.
George, I’m very shocked and outraged by how you and your child were treated. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be of assistance.
Having been myself the victim of police brutality, I am very sympathetic toward your situation.
Lawsuits are expensive, but criminal complaints are free. Look up the due process laws and file some complaints with the local court.
Yes, put in a complaint and try and find a lawyer who may assist you in suing them over this.
It seems to me you were looking for a confrontation. You’re walking around a park with a little boy and a displayed gun, you really thought no one would call police?
So someone calls the cops about a man with a gun and a little boy at a park. I gather you’re bothered that the cops even investigated this? You would rather they do nothing because YOU know that YOU are doing nothing wrong? How do the cops know you’re doing nothing wrong until they know who you are, and the kid is yours? If the kid really was kidnapped, you would want the cops fired for doing nothing, yet they do something here and you’re still not happy. Since you obviously have years of law training, what should they have done?
In the end, they let you go and gave your gun back. Sounds like these cops know the laws and what they are doing. You wouldn’t tell them your name and you got handcuffed. Maybe they don’t want to take a chance and get shot. Maybe they have kids to go home to also. They obviously know more then the cops that dealt with the soccor mom, yet you’re still looking for a fight.
And how does an older lady calling about this translate to textbook aggression by the cops? That makes no sense.
Thanks Charles for adding some logic to this ridiculous blather about 4th amendment and first amendment rights.
If the guy with his kid think he’s in the right, he’d do well to seek legal counsel and go after these bad law officers. However, looking at the entire picture, I think the guy with the little kid has figured out that he probably has no standing and just needs to suck it up.
If he feels so badly that he needs firearm protection when taking his kid to the park, why not just get a concealed carry permit, and this would never have heppened.
Carrying an exposed weapon frankly is just asking for confrontation from the local police, and I applaud them for ‘investigating’.
He’s probably unhappy because he was doing something perfectly legit. How many gangbangers with intent to murder do you see walking around with their glocks in holsters?
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Why should he have to get a piece of paper from your masters to say it’s okay for him to walk around with a piece of cloth over his weapon, when he can legally walk around with it anyways? If I were him i probably wouldn’t bother with legal action either, the cops refused to identify, and the legal system protects it’s own.
Oh, and aren’t you an obedient little sheep!
Charles, imagine that a family walking around freely with the ability to defend themselves. It truly is an unusual sight.
BTW the police report mentions nothing about kidnapping so they made that part up.
Stick around and read a bit, soon you’ll understand why calling the cops is aggression.
Don’t misunderstand me, I am a firm believer in the second amendment and think the country would be alot better if every law abiding citizen had a gun if they wanted to. It just seems to me that your anger at “the establishment” is making you look for a battle where there isn’t one.
But you still didn’t answer any of the questions-
I look at it this way, even if you want to say you got hassled/assaulted/whatever, what if there’s that one in a million time where they saved a kid from a predator. Remember the girl who was kidnapped in CA for 18 years and was just found? This time it turned out you’re a fine upstanding citizen, what if it’s the one chance to help, but the cops thought “oh I’m sure they are fine, we better not do anything.”
What about the 999,999 times where it wasn’t some evil doer? By that rationale lets nuke the planet to make sure we get the bad guys!
My anger at the establishment? Where do you get that? I am not angry. These people are simply in the wrong and I refuse to be intimidated when I am doing nothing wrong.
So, Charles, you are arguing that 999,999 acts of aggression justify the 1 that saved a life? Is that really your argument? Do you really believe that? If you do, do you live it by paying all your taxes on time and not trying to get out of any? Are you willing to commit these types of aggression yourself?
They could have approached George and asked, Charles. He would have gladly explained.
I do not give them a pass. I give them no sanction. They are not a superior class of humans. If I did that to George, people would rightly call me a thug. Wearing costumes changes nothing.
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Huh?, paying taxes commits me to acts of aggression? Whatever, but you still didn’t answer any of the questions.